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The Avenger (Patreon)

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2025-03-03 17:53:34
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2026-06

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This week, we provide yet another contender for "weirdest thing we've ever watched."

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WelcomeToFalse

I’m curious; at what point can Cara legally have GAM tried in an international court?

KayJayO

… WHY IS THERE A BATMAN AND ROBIN

AmbyLotl

OHHH I LOVE THIS!!!! I saw this with the Jenny Nicholson video aaaaaaaa didn't think you guys would've reviewed this lol

AmbyLotl

Actually, I think this could've been a Scathing GAMini :3

KayJayO

Why batman but no hulk jjshhshsgs

AmbyLotl

Did Church of the Rock make a Hamilton parody? The only one I remember was the Texas performance (in my hometown too, yeehaw).. maybe Eli misremembered, but yeah I do imagine CotR would've been more careful after Disney sued their asses to oblivion

Lilith210

I haven't listened yet, but I'll be shocked if they don't talk about how Iron Man's only expression is looking like he's holding back a fart

Denise Huston

There is so no reason for Odin to have any accent, he's Anthony frickin' Hopkins. "Sort of British, if you can manage it," is about as extreme as the accent work goes for all of the non-villain characters in a Marvel property.

Amanda McGuirt

Anyone who doesn't like SciFi deserves to have the worst possible media experiences

every voice listening

Just the initial description is getting me psyched. 496 episodes and there still is no bottom to this well...

Gillian Klein

At this point I have to wonder what sort of media she does like tbh

Echo Cian

I wonder if she's tried it, or just doesn't like the big nerd pop culture stuff (I mean, I don't either) and assumes that's all of it.

Markus Nävergård

there is a canadian captain america in marvel universe

Markus Nävergård

A thing that bugs me about Marvels depiction of norse gods or asgardians, is the idea the Thor and Loki are brothers, or half brothers, when Loki is not related to any of Aesir or Vanir Gods. Loki is a Jotunn, a giant, he is an Aesir by virtue of being sworn blood brother to Odin. Loki is a trickster, a liar,prankster and a schemer, but he is not out right evil untill he tricks the blind God Hönner to slay the god Balder with ana rrow made from mistletoe. Balder was so fair and loved that his Mother Frigga had everything inc reation promise to not harm him,except the mistletoe, which looked so weak and timid already. So the other gods and Balder ammsued themselves by throwing weapons and stuff at balder to test his invurnalbility.

Markus Nävergård

Eli, they do play Black Sabbath and ACDC in the movie avengers

Maggie

I don’t know if it was church of the rock but some church did Hamilton but changed the lyrics to be Christian. Not so much a parody as just a rewriting

Markus Nävergård

i mean, to be fair. Tony Stark is a prick in marvel. and Jesus was a prick to

Markus Nävergård

But Loki aint the norse equvilent of Lucifer. the only one that i can think of that fits that bill is Nidhoggr, the dragon that gnaws at yggdrasills roots,devouring the honorless dead or Surtur, the king of fire giants, but none of these are like the devil, they are more like forces of nature. though Nidhoggr is kinda evil. So norse mythology is weird since the only sources we have are icelandic Edda, from long after scandinavia was christianised and the old pagan scandinavians did not write stuff down and regions differed in myths. So you see some have Balder the god of light as a sorta jesus stand in since Baldur dies but returns after Ragnarö. then there is odin who hangs himself upside down,pierced by his spear from yggdrasill for nine days and nights to learn the secrets of the runes

Markus Nävergård

ah yes, but i meant that theres is a candian equvilent to captain america. and nice it is a woman

Markus Nävergård

there is God in marvel, the one above all and it is Jack kirby.

Peter Graham

Noah…Tell us the truth!!!…How many times has Ray Comfort called the CAN hotline to complain about you guys so far?… If you don’t know the exact number, just round it to the nearest 100…😜

Markus Nävergård

sadly, in this i do not like Cara. she is super smart and insightful, but do not come for my fantasy media. Loki based on Lucifer? No, wow, learn your own damned religion. Satan and Lucifer are two different entities. Satan is the angel whos job it is to tempt man. that is what God set him to do. Lucifer was the Seraphim second only to god, and depending ont he source his rebellion can be because he disagreed with the path of salvation. it was not Satan in the garden of Eden. that was just a Snake. and if that was Satan then he gave man free will. then he suffers for making man break free. So in Christianity is free will good or bad? because they always talk about it like it is bad. and if God is all knowing then he set it up to this way and he could fix it but does not. There is a reason why God if the ultimate bad guy in the JRPG Series Shin Megami tensei And if anything Christanity stole Lucifer or a god of evil from Zorastrism with Ahriman/Angra mainyu. this is the thing with polytheistic religions, theya re more nuanced and complex but every god damned media sees them from a christian lens, So we get thing slike Hades is evil because he is god of the dead and lives int he underworld and Zeus is good because we see him as a stand in for God. Same with Loki, Loki is a trickster, he plays tricks but he also aids the gods, he is not evil. The only other deities that i can think of that are evil are more primordial like Tiamat, Apep or Typhon

Robert Muse

That joke about Joss getting punched came out at a bad time

Amanda McGuirt

Cara's entire presence on this episode and literally every single episode she's been on is based on how much she's not actually contributing to the show. I get to judge her for having shitty taste.

Amanda McGuirt

She doesn't like anything or actually serve any purpose except for Heath to have a week off once a month.

Sparrow

Then skip the episode and shut up

John F

Ok now I need to see this video…

Keffeine Klish

Waiting for the picture of the guys face! I'm so excited!

Another Craig

Dammit now I started imagining Anthony Hopkins performing Odin with the voice of the Swedish Chef and it won't stop

CarrieBoo

I've missed Cara.

Lauren W

They didn't, that was a church in Texas who violated copyright by changing the material. Bugged me a bit when Eli got that wrong.

Krostos

Bold choice to make fun of Canada now of all times guys.

Rachel Manente

I found a clip on YouTube and it's just as amazing as advertised! Loki's horn breaks off at one point and he tries to put it back 😆

Cave_Dweller

It's time like these that I'm infuriated that we cannot post GIFs, since the CaptainAmericaGetsIt.gif would be so perfectly meta and appropriate for Cara.

Mark H

Where are the photos that are supposed to be in the notes?

Golden

Morgan really is a wizard…Noah in the B segment barely sounds like he’s in a well

Clockworkk

BOO. BAD TAKES ON SCI-FI FROM DOCTOR CARA SANTA MARIA. Her sweeping generalizations of sci-fi she uses to criticize it betray how little she actually knows about the genre. I don’t make sweeping statements about dental work and skin books, or whatever it is she’s into these days, and she shouldn’t take ill-informed shots at stuff she doesn’t understand the nuances of. I really like Cara, and I like when you guys have her on, but BOO. BAD TAKE. FEEL MY AUTISTIC FURRY WRATH, HEATHEN.

Steve Chaput

Wow! How can folks be so upset because someone isn’t a fan of what you like

Rachel Manente

Agreed. This community typically is positive. What's with all the aggressive comments now?

Sparrow

Cara doesn't say that loki is based on lucifer. Noah says that the play is casting loki in the role of satan and briefly why that's inaccurate, and Cara points out that all "good vs evil" plots are based on the same narrative template and all simple villians are cut from the same cloth.

Clockworkk

Wow, your whiny and bad faith representation of what I said really made me see the glaring error in my ways. Before I go away forever and ever, I just want to say thank goodness you were here.

mortalwren

YOOO THIS CHURCH IS LOCAL TO ME!! I drive by it all the time, and i know people who've gone to these things! This is so fun for me omg

I'm a man now but cute nb frog icon can stay

I would like to note that the pastor didn't have to "control F" to find the verses that say avenge. There are literally books that are just that. Every word in the Bible, and which verse they are. Also people are being Very Mean to Cara. Shes allowed to not like things

Sparrow

Dude, you're the one whining that one person doesn't like your flavour of make believe

mortalwren

Now I feel like I gotta watch this thing and report back on what's just a very specific manitoba reference lol

Clockworkk

And another bad faith representation of what I said. I don’t give a shit if she doesn’t like it, go back through my comment and quote where I said that’s what I didn’t like, I fucking dare you. I said it was a bad take, and that I didn’t like that her criticisms of a topic she wasn’t familiar with were nothing more than sweeping generalizations. She made actual criticisms of the genre, she didn’t just say she didn’t like it. But it’s still not a big deal to me, Cara remains one of my favorite guests, and will continue to be. I also made callbacks to jokes Eli previously made about her interests (the skin books and stuff), and even ended my comment with “feel my autistic furry wrath, heathen.” I don’t know how I could’ve made it more clear that I was fucking jokingly poking at her. Of all people, I’d have thought patrons of GAM would be able to identify when someone’s being intentionally hyperbolic, but apparently I was mistaken. It seems I have to spell it out for some of you still.

AmbyLotl

If Cara does a murder suicide and you guys aren't able to get her back on for the other Church of the Rock plays, y'all NEED to get Callie Wright for the Star Trek easter play!

Atomic Squirrel

Okay, I get why people found "He's adopted" offensive, but here's why I didn't. Chris Hemsworth, to my ear, delivers that line with a question mark at the end, like "I know this won't save this, but maybe these bigots will let me off the hook if I say that." It's clear from everything Thor says and does that the distinction doesn't matter to him. In fact, he doesn't qualify Loki anywhere else.

Atomic Squirrel

I want to mention this befor another legal person does, but there was a case where a prison inmate tried to sue Satan, and because he had no money, he had to ask the court for permission to use the US Marshals to serve the defendant. The judge denied the motion on the grounds that there was no evidence that the defendant was located within the jurisdiction of the court.

Markus Nävergård

also, i forgot. i was aware that the pastor called Loki and Lucifer the same. in my head i am commenting the movie, not the hosts, most of the time.

Markus Nävergård

was there not one that Sued God but they dismissed it because he could not be located?

Sparrow

Ah ok, it read like those were two parts of the same thought. I was relistening through it going "I must have missed a significant section to not remember that" 😆

Markus Nävergård

easily done. a problem with written comments is that tone of voice and intentions are lost.

Stacy

Yikes. Simmer it on down.

Stacy

“She doesn’t like what I like so she has no purpose” is an insane thing to say about a person.

LisaLisa

I am as ignorant as Cara about the super hero universe. I appreciate Eli and Noah filling us in on hero stuff

Oso Hermoso

I don’t want you to reveal your secrets Eli, but how the fuck do you find all this weird shit?

Sheena Gibbs

As a Manitoban, thank you for your accent Eli 😂.

Markus D

That's what I was thinking; I was sad because science fiction and fantasy are such huge genres that I can't imagine that she REALLY doesn't like ANY of it, and it feels like she's missing out, but apparently a lot of people are being assholes about her opinion. I thought it was a bizarrely huge generalization and she maybe has a small point of reference, not something that she should be lynched for.

Markus D

I appreciate explaining the Avengers references. I was going to say "I'm in the same situation as Cara with this", but then I remembered that I HAVE seen the Avengers, I just remember literally none of it.

Markus D

I'm totally with Cara on most superhero movies and Star Wars having boring narratives because it's just kind of "these guys are good, these guys are bad".

Zach Van Stanley

That might be why characters like Magneto are more interesting

Markus D

Magneto is definitely more interesting, but he hasn't been in like... a movie for a while. Squirrel Girl is a similar issue for me; I'm just not into comics in the first place, so I don't often come in contact with the better comics unless I get a specific story recommended to me.

Zach Van Stanley

It’s fine to not like things other people like. The problem is when you bash the things, then you open yourself up. They did a skit (I think in Citation Needed) pointing out how bashing sports is not a personality and how it is just not cool to bash a whole genre. Obviously the whole point of this podcast is to bash bad movies with bad takes. That all said, I like superhero stuff, as I know Eli does, and like him, I’m well aware of the problems they have. I don’t think Cara was saying anything harmful or mean. She’s allowed to have opinions on media.

Clockworkk

Lmao, was that directed at me? Honey, there’s no insult you can throw my way that’ll make me any less correct.

Markus Nävergård

that be hillarious, especially if thor and loki talks normal. But i´d think Icelandic be correct for a norse God

Pamela

I love Cara as a guest usually, but we've had two episodes in a row now when she's been completely unengaged in the subject matter. Everyone can enjoy (or not) any media they like, but this and the Pride and Prejudice episode would have been much better served by a guest who engaged in art, literature, and popular culture in any way at all. Not her fault, but I'd love to see her interests utilised better.

Nashjillian

Posted too soon! Eli mentioned this exact video.

Laurel Ebert

I have to thank you guys. Listening to your show keeps me sane in this horrible time. I can’t listen to your other shows right now because I have to keep current events to a minimum.

Markus D

Yeah, I don't want to dogpile on Cara like some people do, but I don't really go for "Eli tortures Cara with a type of media she can't stand" as a premise for why she's a guest host because she's genuinely a great guest when she has some interest and background knowledge! And I don't blame her at all; there are a lot of movies where I'd be a miserable commentator out of disinterest. It kind of feels like one of those things that Eli finds funny, but it might not be as funny as an audience member who isn't inside the friend group dynamic.

Pamela

This exactly. She has such a wealth of knowledge, and it seems like a waste to have her as a guest on episodes that don't let her shine. And a waste of the subject matter to not have a guest with some expertise or interest in the subject who could do a genuine critique of it.

Caramiadiva

I laughed so hard I pulled something when Eli recounted Peter lopping off the soldiers ear. I replayed it several times. This will live rent free in my head from now on.

Spookems

I was gonna light her city on fire while dressed as a ferret, so I'm glad Eli said Cara apologised. Saved me a lot of money on travel.