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hello!! I write to you from brooks cafe in carlow, ireland, where I, a scrambled egg connoisseur, am enjoying what may be the best scrambled eggs ever, the scrambled eggs that sing the song of my soul (creamy not wet, fluffy, salted throughout, a generous portion served in a bowl so they stay hot…mm…) in addition to this breakfast revelation this town has a university and a cathedral and not much else. every other local storefront services the bereaved, products including headstones, coffins, signs that say ‘mom’ framed in plastic florals (and this sector is demonstrably popping – I couldn’t go into the cathedral while I visited because every free moment I had there was a funeral happening). as a polish catholic by birth I feel a kinship with the irish, us all brown-haired and dour with the same shade of bag under our eyes…and it is for this reason I feel inspired to talk about my childhood experience with organized religion, my bizarre foundational philosophy which left in me silverfish I’m still finding in the bookshelves of my heart and crying to sex partners about.

it’s always too early to learn about hell. you always could have waited, like, one more day. I went to catholic kindergarten and mass weekly and between these appointments I don’t remember the day hell was explained to me, in which room or by whom or with what language, but boy did I know a thing or two about it! to me it was always a literal place; I don’t know if this was taught or my assumption. but I could never picture it, couldn’t nail the geography, charred red craters accessible by haunted boat…but I, an easily frightened and sensitive child, could certainly imagine the suffering.

I thought about this suffering often. in the bath. at recess. lying in bed. pain. panic. trapped. the inability to talk your way out of it, to change what was happening to you, the powerlessness. it made me very afraid. and even before I was exposed to the world and given some modern depravity to fear I knew these people, these catholics, weren’t joking around: everywhere there was the effigy of jesus on the cross, blood edging from his crown of thorns and pooling in his eyes, nails thrust through the soft flesh of his feet and palms, rendering him immobile. paying half-attention in sunday school I drew lazy little circles in the center of my palm with my fingernail. these violent realities were described in detail so as to make me feel grateful for jesus' sacrifice. but I wasn’t grateful – only disturbed.

and that’s what was done to him by men, on earth – hell suggested a new intensity. and that’s suffering for an eternity. eternity rattled me enough on its own. to think of it made my mind somersault over itself. how could anything happen forever? as a kid the time trudges….to wait five minutes is unreasonable….so an infinite reel of this slow thick time, not just lying in boredom but alight with pain, ‘eternal hellfire’…the thought upended me. my empathy extended most painfully to my parents who I worried might also find themselves there, a realization which when it first landed shook me so thoroughly I’d felt my blood go cold, vision blanketed in the dark pall of a nightmare...not them.

human psychology is complex. calculations sound off at incredible speeds by the computers in our skulls which are powerful enough to launch the first rocket times one quadrillion, so I don’t claim to know myself, but it’s clear that my early life fixation with hell wrote the script for so much of what I am now, my preoccupations with the dark stuff, with incomprehensibly large numbers, theories of being. it’s also clear the fixation began because I knew hell was where I was headed.

catholicism, the ocd-maker, says that we are all born sinners and demands purity of thought. god can read your mind and he knows what a sick fuck you are. to honor him you must hide this fact! delete these impulses. starve your depravity. become worse. naturally repression doesn’t make people better or purer but does make them more insane and guilt ridden, at war with their own desires, destined to become unreasonable perverts.

but I wasn’t armed with this knowledge as a child. I was aware of an oddness in my psyche, what I learned as a teenager were unusual sexual proclivities – at the time, simply sinful, pleasurable curios without a name – adjacent to being kidnapped, or bound, and I enjoyed the thoughts, found genuine peace and comfort in them, as early as five years old. despite the comfort I knew these thoughts were ‘bad’ but couldn’t stop myself from thinking them. of course now I’m certain these desires came about as a response to my profound fear of what might happen to me in hell, which my child’s brain sexualized as a coping mechanism – which then made me feel more and more certain I would go to hell – which exacerbated the desires – which – ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

and so I built my tower of shame. the repression-impulse bore so deeply into my psyche that to be told as an adult that I ought not be ashamed of the way I feel, something largely out of ‘my’ control, was so other, so at odds with the way I lived my life and structured my brain that the notion at first made no sense, and then made me angry. to this day I feel overwhelming cringe when I encounter people shamelessly engaged in what I see to be shameful things.

still I sat in sunday school, said my lord’s prayers and hail marys, counted rosaries, pulled the smooth watery beads back and forth across my neck to give myself shivers. but it never felt like it was for anything. I believed in hell more than I believed in god. I almost didn't even associate them with one another. the logistics of god were muddy: it didn’t make sense to me that he was once a man, or that he had died and come back to life, that god and jesus were the same guy but that jesus was also god’s son. in english class symbolism and metaphor came fine to me, because those were stories – but this was supposed to be true, so why couldn't anyone just give it to me straight?

but hell stayed real, and the teachings about the way of people always seemed to be directed straight at me.

a windowless classroom, fifteen children, a carafe half-full of clean clear water. the teacher says this is our soul. then she drops beads of ink into the water and silently we watch them bloom and mangle until the whole thing goes pitch. she calls the blackness sin. she hands us all little plastic cups with shots of new water and has us pour them into the carafe one-by-one, a solemn parade of obedience. in doing this the water lightens little by little. the teacher says this is what happens when you go to confession, the lightening. but you’ll notice, she says, once all our cups had been emptied, that the water never becomes as clear as it was before. it’s true, it didn’t. I thought of that murky grey backwash swirling around inside me, the reason for all my worry. but indeed confession offered salvation.

I spent the entirety of my time in confession lying. it was my first communion. I had just eaten the body of christ and drank his blood, dizzy with confusion, as clearly what I’d consumed were not blood and flesh but red wine and a shitty nilla wafer. nothing in this beautiful room made any sense. and then it was me, a seven year old in her girl’s wedding dress, in that dark claustrophobic booth with a priest, the bug screen of anonymity between us. I was so nervous – not unlike the nervousness I later felt on my first date – and I didn’t know what to say. fair given a seven year old ought have no sins to confess to. ‘forgive me father for I have sinned. this is my first confession,’ I begun by script, and then made up a list of transgressions comprised mostly of things  I’d seen on full house: I fought with my friend, I broke a plate and blamed it on my sister, I cheated on a test…which was actually true, but was also in its own way a lie, because I didn’t just cheat a single time but constantly, once on a test about the ten commandments. I listed off so many fake sins that the priest cut me off. ‘and another thing!’ ‘the lord has freed you from your sins; go in peace.’ peace! what a laugher.

I was released from sunday school aged ten. and before long I was in the grips of combative teenage atheism, desperate to differentiate myself from my peers and the pain born from the holy part of my life. I wonder also if the atheism came so naturally to me as a result of the pain, my not-believing brought about by terror, fear turning me into a non-believer just as it turns others into believers.

though the logician’s mind had won, hell stayed with me. when I later learned the actual mechanics of sex, what went where, what I’d be expected to allow to happen to me, I’d leapt from my computer and literally vomited. this same impulse persisted as vaginismus. I carried, like, a ludicrous amount of stress in my shoulders. even if my mind was over these teachings, my body was not. what’s left of my catholicism now is the ruts worn by shame, the muscle memory of self-hatred, the series of fear reactions that became what I now know as my mind. and that scene in fleabag super turned me on. otherwise I’m fine.

I’m working on the shame. it’s what most of my dark nights of the soul are spent trying to unspool. time helps. sharing absurdly intimate details with strangers helps. genuinely. but it’s funny – I quite like who I am now as a result of things (it’s complicated to think about my hypothetical kids, people I want to be exactly like me but without ever having been in pain). I can also see myself eventually getting to grips with some form of spirituality (I keep finding myself around spiritual people which means I must have at least some kind of subconscious hankering for it). the neotrad stuff kind of gives me the heebie jeebies –  though I can completely recognize that for some religion fulfills all their spiritual needs with very little downside, assuages fear rather than causes it – but I guess we’ll see what happens. I certainly don’t mind the thought of someone always being with me, of knowing every divot of my nonsense soul and saving me for it. but it’s not some guy, probably. something else. and it’s something I don’t think seeks to punish me, or seeks at all.

sav xo

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A. Jordan

I live across from a Catholic Church & each sunday morning, the bells reverberate through each of my sins & it’s always been the question of whether the All Seeing All Knowing God will actually forgive because Hell has always been the end all be all if you aren’t on the straight & narrow.. I’ve dreamt of hell and what I felt from the old man in the withered grey suit & Fedora, whiskered mustache, & squared eye glasses, it is not where one would like to be; plus he has his whole army of minions & whatnot. Why does he need me, all I did was eat an extra piece of bacon & lied about it, am I damned forever? Or does the reel play when we do finally meet our end of every wrong we did & it’s graded on some sort of scale. Maybe we can get a reset button if we don’t meet the criteria.. i don’t know, just rambling, but it was coincidence as this posted, the church bells tolled from across the street. God, maybe?

bailey bayer

"The muscle memory of self-hatred" was painfully relatable - As a currently sleep deprived recovering Catholic, I didn't know that this was exactly what I needed today. Thanks for your vulnerability, sav. Here's to unlearning the ideological sicknesses of the world

Ronaldo Knorich

When I was a kid my mom used to take to sunday school too.I remember I was scared for my life the first time they put me in that dark, cold confessionary and told me that I had sins to be ashamed of. I confessed little childish sins that I wasn't ashamed of at all, not even a tiny bit. Throughout pre-adolescence I screamed at god everytime my mom was a little late from work, or when the lights were off due to a big storm. How could bad things happen to me if I was so ashamed of everything all the time? I grew so angry about my body and my little-sexual-deranged-BDSM-internalized-thoughts that if somebody gave me a whip I surely would repent a thousand times a days. I understand why my mom took me to church, but I think I can never quite forgive her for that. The road to get free of the shame has been a looooong one for me, but finaly I can live in peace away from shame.

Abi Lea

the scene in fleabag😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

analogue

I was raised a muslim (new analogue lore just dropped) even though i never truly managed to really believe in god (from a young age i was more of an agnostic than someone who really believed) but as you've said, even that really didn't stop all the fear and shame that i felt and that i still feel to this day after years from "officially" apostatizing. It's an issue i still struggle with, that shame and repression and feeding into that loop. It's something that i think i've never talked about or mentioned to anyone. So yeah, thank you for the great essay

OiBoy

Did anyone else have this experience? It goes a little something like this: Your friend rushes into preschool/kindergarten, saying, "Hey, guys, you know Jesus and Santa? Well, I asked my older brother about it last night, and he says it's all a trick that grown-ups play to get you to do what they want." Every kid in the class responds: "Of course! We hate grown-ups. It all makes sense now." Religion is over for the entire class... and I still hate grow-ups.

Cicada

I've been wondering about my proclivity for catholic imagery for a while. I begged to go to church when I was a kid, and as soon as I stepped foot in there I was utterly disillusioned. precocious undiagnosed autistic girl discovers atheism style. realised I just liked the art and architecture. still, the art and poetry I make now is full of religious allusion. what's that about? it's about shame, obviously. isn't everything lol being bullied as a kid gave me such severe social anxiety I eventually stopped leaving the house. shame is so integral to my personal religion (less so now cause my meds could take down a horse) that catholicism seems like a pretty reasonable comparison to draw. certainly the closest thing in the public lexicon. except hell is being perceived as weird or cringe or stupid. huh also I want to be corrupted by a sexy priest. c'est la vie!

Black_Cat

It's interesting how much I relate to this even though I was raised Protestant, southern baptist. I guess that just goes to show the damaging effects of Christianity on little minds. I was dragged to church most of my childhood. I heard about hell when I was around 5 I think, and so I "asked Jesus into my heart" to escape it. (To this day even though I'm no longer Christian my mom stills tells me I'm a Christian because I accepted him into my heart, though I think that's because for her too it's unbearable to imagine me going to hell). In 7th grade I started to become more serious, by way of going on mission trips. Not sure what it was but idk.. then in 10th grade I was at a weekend bible youth event and some old dude was like "You're probably not taking your faith seriously, bla bla bla' and all the shame came back and so I dived even more deep into it. I got *really* knowledgeable about theology. And then in 2020.... it all came crashing down. Depression, anxiety from my dad passing away in 2018, trying to graduate with a shitty gpa, and the every day over whelming pain of disappointing god with my sins. I broke down and fucking balled my eyes out like 3 to 4 times a week because I felt so guilty. And then suddenly.. I no longer felt closer to god and left the chruch and Christianity. Still recovering from all the stuff I experienced.. so I can relate to your story in a lot of ways, and so can others, which is sad. I also am into spirituality and am around people as such, but not into dogmatic organized religion any more or going to church. Thank you for sharing your story Sav! I know it's not easy and I am happy and proud that you've become someone you love now! I am the same, I am the happiest I've ever been without Jesus. All the love <3

Alicia

So true. The Catholics rly popped off w their architecture and art

John Muller

This is a fabulously eloquent analysis of the mind fuck that is a religious upbringing, which brings with it a contrasting duality of beliefs that you spend the rest of your life trying to untangle. Rejecting the teachings given during childhood only to be drawn to people who embrace them as an adult... Yeah, this essay hits home.

Nachtkatze

This speaks to my soul... I was raised in an evangelical church and quietly deconverted throughout my teens, although I only really admitted it to myself when I went through a major mental breakdown. While I found so much support online and in therapy, I always believed I was the only person in my social circles who went through this, that I could never talk to my friends or anyone about it, that no one would ever understand. But I'm starting to see more and more people I know speaking about the ways that organised religion has affected them, still is. It is mind-blowing to find out someone had to go through the same weird thing that you did... Very slowly, speaking about it all doesn't feel shameful as much as it feels like a way of connecting, sometimes with people I have nothing else in common with, would never usually seek out. Here's to all of us who kept asking questions, kept fighting for ourselves and, in spite of the congregation's disapproval, created a life for ourselves x

Danielle Brown

totally ditto. read the bible cover-to-cover four times and then went to seminary for my master's so i could exorcise/exercise/jazzersize-supersize/whatever what i now look back and would call a bonafide cult… funny: you and i didn't even have the gore of the dude actually in our iconography—nor any of the catholic hagiography—and yet all of this body/sexuality/desire shaming shiz is still something i seem to somehow "wear" all these years later (here at the age of 50!). strange and sad how indelibly relevant all this stuff stays…not like you can uproot it or anything…but, then, maybe—just *maybe*—that sorta inner conflict at least one of the ingredients in the lighter fluid i pour onto/into my creative pursuits…

Leetelite

I wonder if the fantasies associated with being “bound” and “abducted” is in some association with the potential shame, or the like, of the act. Sort of “you are absolutely not allowed to enjoy or partake of this”, so the mind goes “but what if we didn’t have a choice? What if we were powerless to stop it?”, and there is a connection formed with the lack of consent (just making an assumption, that’s what it sounds like) and the fundamental appeal and desire of sex. Of course, these fantasies also arise outside those kind of environments, so there’s probably also some other allure to them, but it’s an interesting association to think about! Either way, it’s almost like shaming people about their feelings is just going to foster them to have an unhealthy relationship with those feeling instead of make them go away. And then we all wonder why a lot of adults have such issues in different ways with relating to their emotions. Not that having fantasies about being abducted or bound is unhealthy, but shaming oneself for having them most definitely is. It also feels like the whole “created in god’s image” bit is completely forgotten in the “god can read your mind and he knows what a sick fuck you are”. Also, holy shit the fucking carafe analogy is actually just child abuse. Teaching children that if they sin they will -never- be clean from it. That any mistake will be written forever in the fabric of the universe, and is completely irreversible, and the best you can do is to dilute the damage with good actions. This just sets people up to have complete action paralysis, since the cost of fucking up is so high, why even try? But then again, you’re already doomed by original sin, so damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Only perfection is allowed, otherwise you’re sent to the -literally worst place imaginable- with no takebacks. And all of this, done with the pretense of helping the children. Imagine if these people had to actually confront the suffering and harm done through peddling these sorts of narratives to children, one of the most vulnerable and defenseless demographics on the planet. Part of me would love to see that, whilst another part of me mourns for those who with the best intentions in the world cause the most damage. Whose fear of the children growing up to be “bad people” turns them instead into fearful, directionless, and hopeless people, where any and every step carries the potential for eternal damnation. And of course, the only way to salvation is for them to admit what awful, awful people they are! Almost like it creates an unhealthy fixation on how fucked everything is. What a frightful existence, where fear and love are so closely intertwined that their beginnings and ends are so hard to distinguish. I am glad you are sharing your nonsense soul. It lightens to load for other non-sensical souls as well, well, at least one of them. We’ll just have to wait and see if we’re all saved for it!

bailey bayer

To this day, I am routinely saddened at the reality that antiquated churches are one of the few structures that I genuinely find myself marveling at when on walks. Like, more stained glass in domestic settings, please!!

Emma

Will there ever be a greater "chicken or the egg" scenario than Catholicism or OCD? Someone let me know if you find out

Polynerdeia (edited)

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2026-09-07 20:00 bro i literally just finished an essay about sin and forgiveness called "the black ink within" i think the grey murky water is kind of a catholic thing <3 anyway thanks for your writing. I skipped the vaginismus but got stuck in dissociation through most of my sexual encounters. It really feel cathartic to know i'm not the only one going through it, hugs.
2023-11-13 14:59

The String Puppet Maker

I personally rejected the concept of "hell" when I converted to Wicca. It never made any sense to me that eternal torture would be imposed simply for humaning while being human. Why does an omnipotent God even care about your sex life? You'd think with all of the troubles in the world he'd have more important things to turn his attention to. Besides, what is the point of even making the torture eternal and why did my Sunday school teachers never have a satisfactory answer to that question? As I grew into a teenager I started to see hell as a lie the Church invented to control people. I have since changed my beliefs on the matter in light of spiritual experiences I've had but those experiences convinced me that hell is only for the truly contemptable - murderers, rapists, manipulators - and that even for those people it is never an eternal sentence. If they are truly unredeemable they just get erased from existence after paying for the evil deeds they did.

cosasdeandrea

I almost never think about the effects of catholicism in my own life since I wasn't part of a weekly mass family but now I have a thoughtful weekend ahead. Thanks for this one sav

Caitlin Ellis

Fellow polish catholic here - I feel like you explained my own childhood. The fires of hell haunted me. When I was young, I had the unfortunate experience of being sexually abused and proceeded to blame myself for it (what a good little catholic I was) and refused to go to confession thereafter because I thought my soul would be unsalvageable and couldn't bear to have a priest confirm it. It truly is always too early to learn about hell. I wish religion offered me the comfort it seems to bring others, but for now I'm still making sense of myself an my upbringing. There's a softness in spirituality that calls to me that the harshness of organised religion does not...I think that's the path I'll be exploring...

Adara

The way I related to everything. The shame, the focus on hell, the uncertainty and discomfort of eternity, the kidnapping and bounding, gosh. As someone whos first confession in my first communion was admitting to masturbation as a girl which somehow carried extra shame for me. Or reading smut on wattpad since a very young age. Ive always carried shame. Specially being raised christian. Thank you for this. Its one of the few times im glad an experience or line of thought is not original to me or only mine.. wow. Bravo.

RyanG

Irish Catholic here (so mostly secular and as a norm, no need for Sunday school) and I funnily enough never believed in Hell and actually laughed in the face of a teacher who told me I'd burn there for lying about tripping another kid. The Apocalypse scared the bejesus out of me though, Y2K was a white knuckle ride at age 8. The fear of being left out of Heaven was the worst, and I likewise had a similar terror of sin. Of being inherently bad and unworthy of base compassion and love. I never had an atheistic phase because by teen years I yearned for spiritual experience and Eastern religions (mostly Shinto, thank you anime) seemed so much more gentle and accepting, acknowledging the evident beauty of nature the church barely glances at beyond livestock. And sex was absolutely the worst culmination of that unnatural negativity. Funnily enough, I've recently been reading the writings of horny medieval nun Mechthilde of Magdeburg (and Theresa of Avila) and man it did not used to be this way. Ironic considering how much Catholicism emphasises the body with all of it's relics. Those relics would work better with blood pumping through them.

Sevval Nur Bektas

How much of the concept of love do you think there is in catholic teaching in comparison to fear? Asking as a person who grew up in a predominantly muslim country who has no idea about it at all.